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Hi Guys, A few months ago I posted a question about a New... - Aug 12, 2006 by Efren

Hi, This is very interesting!!!! I work for a company that ... - Aug 13, 2006 by

Exactly what type of machines are you gonna have installed, ... - Aug 13, 2006 by Mika

My guess would be a couple of months to go into 'FULL' produ... - Aug 13, 2006 by

I suggest you do the ff prior the machines arrival at your s... - Aug 17, 2006 by

Hi, We put in a bunch of Fuji XP machines and it took a g... - Aug 18, 2006 by

Hi Guys, As always, you bring interesting advices. I just... - Aug 18, 2006 by Efren

Yes, I agree with guest. Lay it all out with masking tape on... - Aug 20, 2006 by Darby

Efren

#43282

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 12 August, 2006

Hi Guys,

A few months ago I posted a question about a New Assembly Line, and It was great the answers I received. Now I would like to have an additional advise, to complete the requirements of my financial.

We expect to install approximately 6 Pick & Place Fuji NXT Machine (Dual line (2xM3 + 1M6)) and all the necessaries support machines (Printers, Owens, etc..). Printer, Owens, etc are from different manufacturers.

How much time do you think, is reasonable to expect, from the purchase, installation, training, and certification that every thing is OK to start full production?

Any advice will be welcome

Efren

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Ola

#43283

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 13 August, 2006

Hi, This is very interesting!!!! I work for a company that have recently (2 years back) been extremely difficult to just order such ridiculous thing as o-rings or screws or lubricants, from local vendors that are not within our companys "approved list"!!! It have been even worse in some cases and it all have it's origin in the Enron scandal. Belief this!! So to answer your purchace questions is that it depends... I can without bullshit you, tell you, that at at the moment for us to even think about to order new machines, not to mention an entire line, that will not only inlude the abnormal procedure at the site, but also approval from the the USA-head quarterts. So back to your question; purchase time - I have absolute No idea.

But estimate something like this: 10 days of installation; fine tuning, including testrunning etc. (It is always best to over estimate). It all depends of how many field engineers that are going to do the job. Then You should at least prepare for 1 week of oparator traning, that means if you already have experienced SMT opereators. When it comes to certification; well I don't understand what you are talking about? IPC, RoHS, MSD, workman shipstandrd, etc? I hope this not discourage you, but if we can get a little more info, maybe the it will be easier to answer your questions. /

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Mika

#43284

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 13 August, 2006

Exactly what type of machines are you gonna have installed, except the Fuji's? Is it all Fuji? This is brand new eq. we are talking about, eeh? What is the delivery time of the machines?

When you will go for a bargain, then it should/must include almost everything! Delivery time, installaton time, training, certfifation, etc. The only thing is the question of purchase time, that is something I can't help you with, apart from the delivery time, who should be well-known. /Sincerly

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bobpan

#43287

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 13 August, 2006

My guess would be a couple of months to go into 'FULL' production. Learning the software and debugging programs takes time. If you already know how to run the machines you are purchasing then things will happen faster. If you are learning to run all these machines for the first time....then things will take longer. Full production to me means you are able to get data to build a board....program it....have it running with 'minor' problems.

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guest

#43395

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 17 August, 2006

I suggest you do the ff prior the machines arrival at your site.

- Get all the dimensions of purchased machines from their catalogue. - Lay out / draw their footprints in the manufacturing floor. - Drop down air and power supply.

Unpacking, levelling and aligning the machine would at least take a day per line. Since your company 6 lines I assumed your equipment supplier would send at least 3 engineers. In your case maximum is 3 days.

Air/power supply tapping,power up would need at least 1 day.

I would assume you would need at leat 1 1/2 week to make your line running. I am basing the estimation based on my epxperience ,this may not be true in your case. You may want to use this as reference only.

Regards,

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Grant

#43399

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 18 August, 2006

Hi,

We put in a bunch of Fuji XP machines and it took a good 4 days before we were up an running in full production, and this was with the local engineers helping us run the machines and help us as each little issue popped up, such as feeder change over etc.

The NXT is a much easer machine to use, so you might be faster than this. However I think the best way to learn is to run the machines as soon as you can on a product, and let the engineers from the vendor talk you through issues as they arise.

Grant

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Efren

#43419

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 18 August, 2006

Hi Guys,

As always, you bring interesting advices. I just take an idea about the issue. I will let all of you know about my progress, and I expect to share my experiences too in this forum as a matter of retribution for the advices I already have received here.

Thanks to all,

Best regards

Efren

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Darby

#43434

Time to Setup a New Assembly Line | 20 August, 2006

Yes, I agree with guest. Lay it all out with masking tape on the floor. Include the width of feeders sticking out. Confirm the position of power, air, network and smema connections. You may even want to use cardboard layed out on to the floor. You have to base everything on how far things stick out from the fixed rail of each machine. Don't forget oven ducting and exhaust requirements. Some oven manufacturers have varying duct diameters from machine to machine. Don't assume they will all be the same. Get an airflow spacialist in to measure and advise on your exhaust requirements and what sort of jet engines you will need to pull air from one side of the factory to the other. Bends and crinkles greatly reduce the air flow capacity. Have fun.

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