| | | Thanks for the help, Guys. | | | As a matter of interest, I'm going to look up the standard and see if there's a European (or preferably UK) equivalent. If I find anything, I'll post another Follow Up (though I doubt it holds much interest for you)! | | | Regards, | | | Dave | | To tell you the truth? I think we would all be interested. Europe gave us the ISO 9,000,000.00 standards, as in that's what it will cost just to get certified. The manual is 9000 or 9001 or 9002 depending on how much you want to spend? So if you should find a standards guide out of the UK that the industry will accept than I will be the first to respond. As long as it doesn't cost me my wife, daughter,or half my family jewels. | | On a more real note? All sarcasm aside, I think it would be good to see some other standards. But I think it best to fallow who is really breaking ground in our industry and who is keeping up with it as far as the standards are concerned. In other words, if you find a new standards guide will they cover our latest problems like Earl does? I know I just got threw slamming ISO cause it cost so much, but the truth is they cover allot of ground! IPC on the other hand is very appropriate for what we do and if something is missing than we have these resources.So if you find something out there make sure it is not out dated.Around here that's about a week!..........Jeff Sanchez | | | Jeff and all, | Concerning ISO, it is pretty good. It, its powers admit, does not cover all the ground. It is left to those registered to begin CPI and TQM. | As far as cost goes, I have no problem except in cases where auditors/registrars are bribed to provide continuous registration status. I know several companies that simply don't keep up or come close to deserving re-registration. They buy it. | The big concern is people not practicing that for which they signed up. Also, with so much money being spent on registration, there is entirely too much cheating going on. | The biggest problems associated with ISO are those concerning auditing only to the procedure level. There are no requirements for auditing work instructions (where the rubber meets the road and things get built) unless a company says something about work instructions in its Quality Policy Manual or Procedures. Again, as it is said so often, say what you do and do what you say. This is a big oversite, but is correctable by those takin ISO seriously through CPI and TQM even though some ISO "experts" say ISO is all you need. | Earl Moon Earl, Some how I just knew you would say it better! Thanks from Jeff
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